ADVICE NEEDED

topic posted Thu, December 1, 2005 - 8:17 AM by  Regina
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Hello, I'm a student at a college that lets students design their own degree. I'm interested in working in a gallery or a museum and want some advice on what classes I should take. I alread know that art history is a must, I'm also taking some management coarses. What other important coarses what you suggest I take? Or, better yet, if you work in a gallery or museum, and you were hiring an assistant manager or director, what qualities, background, knowledge, would you be looking for in a possible candidate?
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  • Re: ADVICE NEEDED

    Thu, December 1, 2005 - 8:41 AM
    You'll need a masters in art history before you do any sort of decent museum work. Before that, I suggest taking as many art history courses as possible in order to learn the material. What courses to take depends on what area you want to focus in. For instance, I have a focus in 19th century European artwork and I'll be working on my masters soon.
  • Re: ADVICE NEEDED

    Thu, December 1, 2005 - 8:50 AM
    I'm an art history professor and have worked in museums and galleries as well.

    My first piece of advice: Spell it 'course,' not 'coarse.' ;)

    Second, forget the management classes and take a wide range of art history courses. I'd especially recommend a class on art historical writing/theory/methods.

    Experience as a volunteer or intern in museums and galleries is essential before getting a permanent position there. I think that many galleries will hire someone with only a BA, if they have the right assortment of art historical knowledge, people skills, charisma, and business sense. As for museum work, there is a wide range of possibilities, many of which do require advanced degrees. Depending on the museum, most of the curators will have PhDs and even some of the people in the education department will have an MA--in either art history, museum studies, or education. In smaller museums, the requirements might be less. But I'm realizing that there is really a glut of highly educated and qualified people out there, so even smaller museums are asking for PhDs to apply for curatorial positions.

    This is what came off the top of my head! Let me know if you have other questions.
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    The Projection of Art

    Fri, December 2, 2005 - 1:13 AM
    I am a waiter in a fancy restaurant. I studied art and am getting ready to get a publisher for a coffee table book of photographs.

    I remember a conversation I overheard at a table, a cute little duce. There was a ravishingly beautiful woman, brunette, with a French accent. She was probably in her late 30's or early 40's.

    She was with a CEO-type. It seemed like a complete mismatch. It was like she had slept with him because he might have made lots of money and seemed to be doing well in the world, but to me he was ugly.

    Anyway, she was going on and on about how she wanted to work in a gallery and he told her, "You don't want to do that. There's no money in it. You only have so much time in your life; you've got to make money now. You are going to get older and not be able to take care of yourself. The whole process of life is relatively short and you have to start planning now."

    It shook me to my roots since I am 45 and have simply lived my bliss, producing a book of prose poems and now what amounts to a couple of photography books.

    Luckily, I bought a place and may finish paying it off in 12 years. By then I will be having a very difficult time doing my job. Waiting tables is murderously stressful but not for the reasons you may think.

    What really bugs me about my job is that I do not handle stress well. I am terrible with money and basic calculations confound me. So, I've always felt that my survival after all these years was by the grace of God. I have always said that it was only a way station until my skills as an artist and writer were recognized.

    All my eggs are in two baskets: Writing and Photography. If the photo book and prose poetry book do not do well, since they've literally taken my entire life to write, of course really over the past 10 years, then what will I have?

    It's a crap shoot. But, merely working in a gallery or a museum is probably not as exciting as the art contained in the gallery exudes. Do an internship as a guard and ask around.

    I know former curators for the Whitney and fund raisers for the Cooper-Hewitt and I just don't know. The Whitney curator is no longer doing that.

    The majesty of the job (What do you imagine yourself doing?) does not consider the competition to get there, the education required, and for what? What is it you are after? Do you just like hanging around the art? Find out what it is that attracts you about the field and specific tasks you perceive are involved and then ask for an informational interview with someone who holds that type of position. Ask them how much they make and if they can make ends meet.

    Life is really, really expensive. My advice is to practice what you want to preach (do in a gallery or a museum) and then do it.

    At my age, I finally realize that life is really about the inner signal of responsibility to autonomy and mere carrying-out of what it is you uniquely do. It is not as specific as say working in a gallery or a museum but you are much more complicated and things will happen in your life that will guide you in directions that just are. Follow your soul but also get a job that supports you well or to an extent that you can buy the place where you will live. Once you buy you will no longer have to worry about that big expense each month and then you can relax with a job that pays as little usually as someone in a gallery makes.

    True artists are not idealists. They embrace the soul and the soul takes you to the most difficult places. They see the deepest depths and translate that into beauty, which is the sense when something touches you deeply.

    I recommend that you follow your shoulds and banish your vanities.
    • Re: The Projection of Art

      Fri, December 2, 2005 - 8:31 AM
      I'm sorry Mario I don't understand what you mean when you say "banish your vanity". You don't know me and you don't know the reasons why I would like to work in a gallery. Please don't give me a lecture about "inner signals" and "true artist are not idealists", I'm just looking for some advice on courses to take.

      And thank you to the Professor for the great advice!
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        On Being a Nun

        Sat, December 3, 2005 - 3:01 AM
        "Banish your vanity" referred to staying out of the gallery or a museum as a backdrop to the art of yourself.

        It is not the context but the person that counts.

        I was trying to get you to think about why or what it was about the thought of working in a gallery/museum that attracted you because as Dr. Phil relates it is often that impression of something that can be had in many venues of employment; I want you to be happy and truly follow your bliss.

        "Inner signals" also related to this analysis of what it was that drives you as well as the statement a "true artist is not an idealist," like Picaso in painting Guernica attacked reality head-on.

        My intention was not to destroy your dreams, as the good doctor suggested, but to give you a clean line.

        Yes, take all the courses the Dr. recommends, but the artist is almost never in the gallery, which is the final resting place of his thought and as soon as an artist creates something, he moves on to the next idea.

        A gallery or a museum is an historical reference point, at times, historians can explain the meaning of the art, can offer insights as to what the artist is doing, but in the world is where art is beginning.

        A gallery or a museum is also a church where the people come to be rekindled.
    • Re: The Projection of Art

      Fri, December 2, 2005 - 8:36 AM
      "But, merely working in a gallery or a museum is probably not as exciting as the art contained in the gallery exudes. Do an internship as a guard and ask around."

      Um, first of all, way to totally crap all over this woman's dreams. Having been to hell and back in graduate school, I could have totally dissuaded her by saying how difficult and trying it is to get an advanced degree in art history, and how difficult it is to come to terms with the fact that even after all that hard work and heartache, there is no guarantee of a good job. But silly me, I was trying to encourage a young mind who actually might be cut out for that.

      Grazie, Mario, for totally discouraging someone who is just setting out in the field! You may have actually helped create the next new American Office Worker! You know the type: had a dream, didn't follow it, now works in a cubicle for mediocre money, and hates herself for not following that dream.

      First of all, your statement about the French woman sleeping with the CEO-type--could ya be more sexist?

      Second, the comment about gallery or museum work not being exciting-- exactly on what are you basing that? Any experience in either of those positions? No, museum work isn't as glamorous as it was even just 30 years ago. It still doesn't mean you push pencils all day. Even if you do, say, end up working in a registrar's office in a big museum and you ARE actually pushing pencils, at least you're doing it in a significant cultural institution and not doing it for some evil pharmaceutical or insurance or advertising company. There is something to say about the 'psychic paycheck' of working around art vs. working around lab rats.

      As for taking an internship as a guard--REALLY bad advice. Being a guard has more in common with police work than museum work. And I've seen first hand guards getting treated like crap, undeservedly, by curatorial staff in museums. Do you expect that a college student who worked as a guard could somehow magically get promoted to curatorial assistant or something? Apples and oranges, my friend.

      And finally, you're giving this woman totally contradictory advice. Should she worry about how expensive life is? Or should she actually 'follow her bliss' as you hippily say?

      Mario, stick to waiting tables and stay out of the advice-giving gig.
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        Grass Roots Organizing

        Sat, December 3, 2005 - 3:38 AM
        Dear Dr.

        As you know providing advice is also to project, which is not to say that what I project is not valuable. As you well-know a person will carry-out their dreams regardless. I do, so I should expect that I can offer that advice if I am a practitioner.

        Sure you can dissuade or insult as you did with correcting her spelling. This insight is a byproduct of your education.

        Anyone can get an advanced degree in art if they want to. What really gets you is the opportunity cost. I was addressing that issue.

        No guarantee of a job is a bit sobering. I was also interested in Regina assessing at this early date if she wanted to go down that path by advocating an approach that addressed her true intentions or impressions of the career.

        I am concerned with people understanding them just as you are.

        The story about the French woman is just a story, facts are not sexist they just are. The advice the man gave was wisdom even if I do not care to practice it. But it does keep me aware of the facts of life, while I move as Regina does toward her and my dreams, respectively.

        Yes, I do not know what a museum job is like; I only know that I have been told that the pay was $14,000 a year for an assistant museum curator at the Whitney some years ago.

        Pushing pencils in a significant cultural institution argument does not necessarily imply that the alternatives are pharmaceutical or insurance companies, etc. I could not work in any one of those places.

        Yes, there is something about working around art, but my experience working for the second largest opera company in America is that the pay is something you could not live on, nor is working on a University Newspaper as an Art Reviewer life-sustaining.

        I don't think I recommended interning as a guard, it was more that she could get the job/volunteer position so she could get into a gallery/museum to met and ask questions of those working there on a day-to-day basis.

        That point about the treatment of guards by the curatorial staff bodes well for my point about a false sense of entitlement.

        I never mentioned promotions from guard to curatorial assistant, but now that you mentioned it, this reveals your sense of entitlement. I would argue that curatorial skill could be had by a guard. The title does not preclude inability.

        She should also worry about her expensive life and she should follow her bliss. These points are not necessarily contradictions. I follow my bliss and attend to my expensive life.

        Furthermore, my waiting tables does not preclude my successful career as an artist and writer. Inherent in my art and writing is advice-giving.
        • Re: Grass Roots Organizing

          Sat, December 3, 2005 - 9:12 AM
          "Sure you can dissuade or insult as you did with correcting her spelling. This insight is a byproduct of your education."

          That was not, by far, an insult. It's clear from her response to me that she wasn't upset by it. An yes, crazy me! I'm a professor, but I shouldn't correct students seeking advice! That might kill her "bliss"! Spelling correctly, using proper grammar, and having a good vocabulary are all products of a good education. Are you suggesting they are something to be ashamed of?

          "Anyone can get an advanced degree in art if they want to."

          Wow. What an incredibly cynical approach. So the advanced degree is all about the ability to pay and not about the ability to do the research?

          "No guarantee of a job is a bit sobering."

          You should know that there is no guarantee if one "follows one's bliss" and becomes an artist. Or an investment banker or doctor, for that matter.

          "The story about the French woman is just a story, facts are not sexist they just are."

          The fact is that this apparently aesthetically mismatched couple was eating dinner together. Your interpretation of their sleeping together was sexist extrapolation.

          "I only know that I have been told that the pay was $14,000 a year for an assistant museum curator at the Whitney some years ago."

          I think you're missing a decimal point somewhere in there. Not even a curator at the Podunk County Injun Museum and Snake Oil Stand makes that little. Certainly not a curator in New York. Not in the past two centuries, at least. When I applied for a full-time administrative assistant position in a curatorial department at a major Northeastern museum, the pay was $40k. And that was for a glorified secretary's position.

          "I don't think I recommended interning as a guard..."

          Yes you did, sweetheart. Scroll up. It's right there in black and white.

          "I never mentioned promotions from guard to curatorial assistant, but now that you mentioned it, this reveals your sense of entitlement. I would argue that curatorial skill could be had by a guard. The title does not preclude inability."

          No, this does not reveal my sense of entitlement. It reveals my knowledge of how things in museums actually work. Guards are treated as second-class citizens in museums--wrongfully, as I already mentioned above--and would not be given the time of day by a museum curator if a guard were to apply for a high-level position. Read my words carefully; I never said that a guard would not have the brainpower or interest to become a curator.

          "She should also worry about her expensive life and she should follow her bliss. These points are not necessarily contradictions. I follow my bliss and attend to my expensive life."

          Okay, so she should get a MBA, become a stock trader, make big bank, and just collect art by your cynical view.

          My husband and I are both professors. We don't make piles of money. But we have learned to live simply and we reap more benefits from knowing we're doing what we love than if we were working in some miserable, menial job, but making twice what we do now. To "follow my bliss" while "attending to [an] expensive life" would make me a dillettante. I don't roll like that.

          "Furthermore, my waiting tables does not preclude my successful career as an artist and writer."

          Oh, no, not at all. I was a waitress myself for some time. What does preclude you from giving coherent advice is your lack of actual work experience either in museums or in academia.
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            Re: Grass Roots Organizing

            Sun, December 4, 2005 - 12:51 PM
            *sips beer*

            *thinks about not getting involved*

            *can't resist*

            A lot of good advice has been given here, and I am not good at pragmatic advice, but that's what you need at this point... so here goes....

            The only reason to work in a museum or gallery (as the unattractive man at the lunch table pointed out) is because you ENJOY art or because you're obsessed and don't have a choice. Unless you are independently weathy and have money to invest, or have incredible connections, you are not going to make a decent salary. If you have excellent credentials, simple tastes, and good luck, you can live eventually hope to live comfortably doing what you like in a great environment.

            The people who hire for these kinds of jobs (if they're serious people, which is the only kind worth working for) MAY at some point be looking for an accountant or administrator, and if you plan to apply for these kinds of positions, have your skills up to par. But - if they are serious people - they will be looking FİRST for someone they can communicate with, someone who shares their interests and has a broad knowledge of art history. Your first approach to finding work in this market should be to study art history, get a graduate degree, have a specialty, and THEN worry about whether you should get an MBA to make yourself more marketable.

            Working as a guard in a museum to pay the rent meanwhile sounds like a great idea to me!

            The other route is to start a program in restoration - also a tough field - and another story...
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              "New Orleans is a Dead Museum"

              Sun, December 4, 2005 - 11:47 PM
              Thank you JM. The doctor is correct about many things, but in the errors of my ways, I was not really addressing her points. What I was talking about was the other side of her risk. I know the dreams and I believe I know Regina's dreams as well. It is as you say however that "Unless you are independently weathy and have money to invest, or have incredible connections, you are not going to make a decent salary..."

              Given my position in life, I choose to be an artist and a writer, which means up to this point, a very "wealthy" life indeed, but not one that saw pragmatism in hanging around a museum gift shop and one that I could not afford (opportunity cost) to attend anything more than those years I needed as a student of speech and artistic photography, having my one-man master's equivalent show and writing my art reviews and proving to myself with the coordination of college art, inc. winning awards as a photographer, painting photorealism and abstract works (self-taught), and any number of other projects I engaged in alone, like illustrating world premieres for the second-largest opera house.

              Neither of us is wrong and maybe Regina's seeking advice from the open door of Tribe has afforded her strong postions/views of the same question. We gave her time and passion. Please forgive me if my passion sought to counter. I only respond to what I hate and love. What I love is oft quietly enjoyed, while my experiences running counter are like the violent throes of the picketer during a strike. For that is what I am also.

              The museum is a supermarket where the wares have been sanitized and packaged. It is out in the fields where the lives are lived by the soldiers who fight the wars going on in the art.

              Thank you Dr., Regina, and JM for allowing me to respond. I live in the moment of your views.
              • Re: "New Orleans is a Dead Museum"

                Mon, December 5, 2005 - 7:22 AM
                "Unless you are independently weathy and have money to invest, or have incredible connections, you are not going to make a decent salary..."

                I'd really like to know on what you two are basing this. Seriously, do some Googling and tell me what the salaries are. I do know a couple of museum curators who come from affluent backgrounds, but I also know twice as many who are living relatively large without having been born with a silver spoon in their mouths.

                "The museum is a supermarket where the wares have been sanitized and packaged. It is out in the fields where the lives are lived by the soldiers who fight the wars going on in the art."

                Do me a favor and Google "Marion True." Then tell me she's not a soldier. While you're at it, look into her personal finances--that info must be available now, considering her situation. She'd make a good case study for my other question.
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                  A Dream is Based on Reality

                  Mon, December 5, 2005 - 5:24 PM
                  Dr. we are ships passing in the night of our experiences. There are examples on both ends. Didn't you ever read Oliver Wendel Holmes: "'Mr. Evans, I am ready to contradict any statement you will make...' He would admit any general principle of law proposed, and then use it to decide the case under discussion either way. Holmes had a profound appreciation for the malleability of words." - "The Principles of Oliver Wendall Holmes," by Louis Menand, from the book American Studies.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: A Dream is Based on Reality

                    Mon, December 5, 2005 - 5:33 PM
                    Dude, I'm not just being contrary for the fun of it. I have a lot of experience in academia and museums that lead me to far different interpretations of the field than the ones you hold.
  • Re: ADVICE NEEDED

    Mon, December 5, 2005 - 6:00 PM
    Regina, this page from the US Department of Labor's Bureau of Labor Statistics might give you some concrete and unbiased answers on what education and other training archival and curatorial jobs require, working conditions, employment opportunity, and median salaries for archivists, curators, and museum technicians: stats.bls.gov/oco/ocos065.htm#top I believe most of the statistics quoted in the article date from 2002.
    • JM
      JM
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      Re: ADVICE NEEDED

      Thu, December 8, 2005 - 9:37 AM
      As I said:

      "If you have excellent credentials, simple tastes, and good luck, you can eventually hope to live comfortably doing what you like in a great environment."

      - No, working as a curator is not like being a starving artist. They do have health insurance plans and retirement. But you're not going to get rich.

      Why is stuff in museums "sanitized?" İn the end, who cares how it's packaged? The point is, once you get in front of a painting, you're there (and if you need packaging to appreciate it, point ceded, that's also there...)
      • Re: ADVICE NEEDED

        Thu, December 8, 2005 - 10:00 AM
        "Why is stuff in museums "sanitized?" İn the end, who cares how it's packaged? The point is, once you get in front of a painting, you're there (and if you need packaging to appreciate it, point ceded, that's also there...)"

        If by 'sanitized' you mean accompanied by educational text, then it's because not everyone has had the benefit of a Liberal Arts education and they probably want to know a little bit about what they are looking at: narrative, style, iconography, historical/social context...
        • JM
          JM
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          Re: ADVICE NEEDED

          Fri, December 9, 2005 - 4:43 AM
          No, that's what I meant by packaging.
          But the comment about "sanitized," I don't get.
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            Mona Lisa Smile

            Fri, December 9, 2005 - 2:30 PM
            "The museum is a supermarket where the wares have been sanitized and packaged. It is out in the fields where the lives are lived by the soldiers who fight the wars going on in the art."

            What I meant by this was that museums are the final resting place, empty halls, white walls or curated eloquence, which does not show the artist's turmoil or poverty in a world where materialism reigns.

            It is kind of like extracting beauty from the world, where context might provide another view than the clean argument of its separation.

            I know and respect the education and revere the commentary or explanation art historians provide, like the SF Chronicle's Ken Baker or of almost everyone I've read and while I am not really wanted to put the whole club down, there is a sense of entitlement implied in the affordability of such an opportunity.

            To this extent, if you haven't bought your house for example, and as you have dreamed of safety in following your heart and yet you have not wrestled with the facts of life beyond the esoteric of beauty, which is not necessarily truth, if you know what I mean, just to stand there in the great white rooms of any museum is to see that you have not arrived unless those works are your own.

            Nothing more is communicated usually than the direct cathartic light shown through the works well crated to your own perspective, which sees this cut-away, two souls communicating, but you realize also that this is just a church and it does not protect you from the responsibilities you face when you leave it, even with a (sanctimonious) smile.
            • Re: Mona Lisa Smile

              Fri, December 9, 2005 - 2:31 PM
              So what's your solution?
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                Re: Mona Lisa Smile

                Fri, December 9, 2005 - 3:05 PM
                My solution, as I started out offering my advice to Regina is that she consider what it was about the field that attracted her. The infinitum I hinted at was:

                "1- What do you want?
                2- What must you do to have it?
                3- How would you feel when you had it?
                4- So, what you really want is... (What you described in question 3).
                5- What must you do to have it?
                6- How would that make you feel?
                7- So, what you really want is... (What you described in question 6)." (From: Life Strategies by Phillip C. McGraw.)

                I think someone interested in truth and beauty should not be so seduced by the end result as to the journey. The whole act of creativity and looking for and acting on truth has no hallowed halls in general. It is like the inner eye of the artist - an origin of self, in synthesis of reality, to express the insights of love, the insights of this common understanding of everything that is marvelous has a broader application.

                I am more inclined to know the uniqueness of Regina, what flavor of expression she exudes and not to have her funneled into some dream that others have followed. She is where she stands her own roadmap in a world with many demands. I don't want her to have regret. I want her to ask the important question, which is to imply that the Ivory Tower is a place high above the market place, which is teeming with the real lessons.

                I was a spoiled boy once and even now that malignancy distances me from the words of Cornel West, who said that you can have no democracy unless all are participating.

                An artist in a house alone, is merely alone. An artist is a nurse. He/she is a dog walker, a stable boy. Our lives are revealed by following the bread crumbs of our responsibilities. Our greatest responsibility is to know what we really want and to follow it. But what we really want is not necessarily to follow what is so obvious as the painting on the wall of a gallery. It is to apply that energy to all of life. Every step outside of the gallery must be along a path that is heart-felt, a careful pattern of the mind and heart-embraced.

                I know of what I speak. My life is movement from bookstores, music stores, museums, and galleries, but it is only when I move into the context for my photographs and writings that I am living my purpose.

                Let Regina ask herself the question: Does my carrying-out the tasks associated with a museum exemplify my creations?

                That is all I meant to imply.
    • Re: ADVICE NEEDED

      Sun, December 11, 2005 - 9:13 AM
      I'll offer that I have taken some very practical classes in conjunction with my Certificate in Museum Studies (an accessory to my MA in Art Hist.):

      -non-profit law and governance (so boring but so necessary)
      -museology (explains different roles of museum positions-- we also went on a ton of field trips to speak with people in the biz, which rocked.)
      -internship with the director of a small museum
      -conservation/preservation
      -oh, and might I suggest staying fresh with Photoshop and the likes?

      I'm trying to be practical this time around. It's doubtful that curatorial work is a strong possibility with only a Masters, therefore I'm looking into the administrative side of museum work. My museology professor said that even when there's a freeze on every job in a museum, the development office (read: fundraisers) is hiring. After a few years of work, then back to school for a PhD. That's the short plan, anyway.

      Good luck. I hope you learn much and that the future holds much promise for you.
      • Re: ADVICE NEEDED

        Sun, December 11, 2005 - 9:37 AM
        Thank you.
        • JM
          JM
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          Re: ADVICE NEEDED

          Tue, December 13, 2005 - 11:54 AM
          "Nothing more is communicated usually than the direct cathartic light shown through the works well crated to your own perspective, which sees this cut-away, two souls communicating, but you realize also that this is just a church and it does not protect you from the responsibilities you face when you leave it"

          - no, it doesn't protect you from them. It PREPARES you for them.

          I thought this was great, Mario.
          But I feel pretty damn good when I leave a museum, rarely have a desire to "own" anything I see, and realize that if I did, I'd just be depriving someone else.
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            Qualification noted gratefully

            Tue, December 13, 2005 - 1:13 PM
            Yes, JM I feel the same way. It does prepare us doesn't it? And yes also, we want the works to remain in such a curatorial display, so that we may worship them and you know as well as I that those who work in art history are our friends. They often have a line into what the artists' intend and for that they too are artists. We all work off the same symbolism, whereas the artists are conduits, the historians are describers/contextualizers.

            Is this what you want Regina, to describe/contextualize?

            Thank you JM. I enjoy your insight and kind qualifying.
  • Re: ADVICE NEEDED

    Sat, December 17, 2005 - 11:50 AM
    A foreign language, French, Italian or German because research materials are written in other than english.

    While I would not get into this whole debate of "what I want to do when I grow up," I must say the Professor and Mario both have valid points, just be aware colleges donot necessary prepare you for opportunites you may or may not have, nor are they necessary guarantees of where your carear is going to be in 20 years.

    Good luck...
    • Re: ADVICE NEEDED

      Fri, January 20, 2006 - 6:25 PM
      abject's got a point...

      I was wondering about that "design your own program" that was mentioned in the opening post. Is this an accredited college or university? As cool as choosing your own degree might be, a school with a solid history of producing excellent students goes a long way. I'm not saying Ivy League, but make for darn sure your degree and experience will have some heft when you get out-- it's too expensive not to check out. Maybe see what recent alumni are doing?
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        Re: ADVICE NEEDED

        Sun, February 5, 2006 - 11:51 AM
        When you speak of design, I assume you're leading into smart design of a museum. Leading, fung-sh-way?

        There definately is a method to it. Go to local art galleries. Go to all the museums and sit there. In fact, GET a part time gig AS a gaurd (if possible)

        Watch the people and draft/scetch

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