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I'm looking at doing an exchange program in Europe. I was thinking about Leiden University in Holland or a university in Paris. Any suggestions or recomendations? I would love to do a semester or 2 in Chicago or NY as well but I don't think that's an option at my Uni (UBC). Oh well.
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Re: Studying Art History Abroad
Thu, November 30, 2006 - 3:52 AMthere is not such thing as art history... the current cirrucular is sorely inadequate
it is History period... art cannot divorce itself from its social, political and theological origins... -
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Re: Studying Art History Abroad
Fri, December 1, 2006 - 12:25 AMWhat you say is true, which is why Art Historians consider all of those things when studying art. All of my Art History classes focus a great deal on art in cultural, historical, social, political and religious contexts. Its true that Art History is History but there is definately a distinction between the two. I'm not really sure what you're saying here. It makes no sense to say that there's no such thing as Art History since it is really just a branch of History. Would you care to elaborate? -
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Re: Studying Art History Abroad
Fri, December 1, 2006 - 1:20 AMaesthetics is not a product of time or a product of evolution... the so called aesthetic style that people are so hung up upon are but what the period of time dictates (via its social political system)... so called painter of the times syndrome etc...
nearer to our time... the so called concept art... they are but the physical manifestion of a phiosophical segment...
so is it not better to just study history and philosophy... have u thought about what exactly are u studying when you are studying art history?
99% of what u need to know of the 1% that regards art is not about art...
art do not evolve or grow... its entirety has always been there... tis just what we pick and choose from it... thats all... so if it is omni-present... there is no ART history is there since history demands a progression... -
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Unsu...
Drawing Restraint
Sun, December 3, 2006 - 9:49 PMFrom cave paintings to Matthew Barney, well it would seem there's not much in the way of evolution, given the scribblings on the SFMOMA walls by him, but there certainly is a story based in time.
I study art history by addressing art past, present, and future.
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Re: Studying Art History Abroad
Fri, December 1, 2006 - 1:24 AMyou experience may be different... but i have been there done that... did my BA in Art history and was on my MA there too but gave it up due to my disillusionment... for me... i saw its beginning and its end... it is pointless...
we can be connosiours of art like Bernard Berenson... and Clement Greenberg... those two are the ones that really defined art history... Alex Pope is useless... academics loves pope and hates berenson... why? because if they subscribe to berenson... they will all be out of a job....
frankly there is nothing to study in art history... -
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Re: Studying Art History Abroad
Fri, December 1, 2006 - 2:24 PMArt can tell so much about a culture. How could you study History without considering art?
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Unsu...
Context by which to measure our own experience; the comparative anatomy of perspective; we see through each other's eyes; the history of art.
Sat, December 2, 2006 - 1:17 AMArt History is the canonization of cathartic influence. Men and women who define/articulate its postulations and contextualize its meaty proverbs do so for those who cannot move through the melee of its charming visual language, for example. And yes Berenson and Greenberg "really defined art" as did hundreds of others, like Gombirch, Sociologist Max Weber or even the artists themselves, who were at times as articulate in writing as they were in paint/other media.
See Art in Theory -- An Anthology of Changing Ideas. That will give you some words for thought.
The dance of historically-documenting the meaning of art, which is what art historians do, is the pleasure-craft of studying its history. Often, we do not know what we have witnessed unless someone has crafted in words what we have felt. Especially in terms of context, an art historian can bring to light meaning, which is like anything; you have to sit down and ponder it. It's an interaction, yours and perhaps someone else's. Even the art historian whose experience is not our own lends perspective through which to see our own view.
But, all art is an accumulation of the past, we study it subconsciously if not consciously. Meaning of art, like language itself, constantly evolves.
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Re: Studying Art History Abroad
Sat, December 2, 2006 - 9:01 AMwell... if you would so like then... define ART... without its definition... you cannot study its history...
the art of cooking? the art of walking? the art of crap? etc etc...
i am not trying to put down your efforts to further your studies... just trying to show you that ART HISTORY is an exercise of futility... there are only connoiseurs... like bernard berenson and clement greenberg
THERE ARE NO ART HISTORY... it is a fallacy that academia created because the education of a true connoiseur cannot be duplicated nor formalised...
you have to study art BY not studying art... the more u try to study it the move it moves away from u... mmmm think they have a similar theory in physics too... -
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Re: Studying Art History Abroad
Sun, December 3, 2006 - 5:47 AMDear Sperio,
You are an idiot.
Cheers,
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Re: Studying Art History Abroad
Sun, December 3, 2006 - 5:35 PMdearest francesca
we shall see about that :) time will prove that i am right
there is nothing to study in art history... it is but biographies and so called aesthical appreciation... nothing is made to study the techniques and to the production process... so what if RODIN does not cast any of his scultpures and works only from miniatures... does anyone knows or cares? NO... and that is the problem... does any care about the economies of art? how the galleries fix prices with the auction houses... does anyone study the patron system and of how it spurred the development of art?
art is the economics of excess... it is the place where money flows to when there is too much in the system to disseminate... it is the pressure release valve...
Cous cous
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Re: Studying Art History Abroad
Sun, December 3, 2006 - 9:09 PMIf art has been around since before the Neolithic period, how do you figure that you'll be proved right in the future? If you were right wouldn't this have been just as easy to prove in the past? Why now and not before? -
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Re: Studying Art History Abroad
Sun, December 3, 2006 - 9:22 PMSo does the mighty Sperio have something to say about the actual question asked by alicia, or does he mostly just like to talk about his own experience?
(I'm interested in what some good schools would be too, so if anyone wants to contributem, that would be cool...)
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Unsu...
With an ear to the ground of the past you may engage the thrust of the engine as it blows the paint of life over the canvas. Some are in first class and moving toward exotic locations and others...
Sun, December 3, 2006 - 9:39 PM...are focused on the work at hand in a seeming poverty of random drippings. – Inspired by the work of J. Pollack
> "art is the economics of excess..."
Sperio,
As an artist, my life is anything but excessive. I work and I do art. My art costs me. If I listen closely to past works, like Picasso's Guernica, I know that there is a connection of art to injustice. Hence, I work for 5-6 years pro bono as a shop steward in a union shop; all the while I create posters and draft documents explaining that injustice through the vehicle of art, which is basically a synthesis of reality with a cathartic visual representation of the truth. If it does not represent the truth/beauty, it is not art. There is nothing excessive about the process. It is a lean, mean, fighting machine of metaphorical representation that is tied to human thought (Lakoff/perhaps Merleau-Ponty). In case you've not heard, all science, history, art, everything you or anyone knows is tied to the body, our minds and what we perceive of reality is nothing more than a projection of ourselves. Einstein's theory of relativity, for example began as a metaphor, which is then proven through human means. Our proofs or theories, evidentiary remarks, are extensions of our minds.
Similarly, a study of the techniques, as I am familiar with in learning about the development, processing and printing of black and white or even color photographs, I can then apply the science of photography to the study of what I have seen in deriving or making a contribution to the cumulative, clearly evolving, representation of that synthesis, known as the 'eloquence of the idea' (Stan Tomita).
Heidegger's (Ted Sadler) essence of truth as the 'unhiddenness of beings' and the 'correctness of propositions' is embodied in art. As a historical or on-going process, art by depicting truth follows, explains, and/or predicts human evolution. Studying art history provides for any number of expressive themes, whether psychological, sociological, scientific, literary, and the list goes on. By studying art in time, you learn about man in time. In art, there are imprints of the brain since, as Picasso said everything he painted was himself and beautifully we are. The Story of Art by Gombrich, Art in Theory 1900-1990 -- An Anthology of Changing Ideas, and many 'Art History' books or articles about art are often studies of the techniques and processes, and yes people care about Rodin's non-cast sculpture and we know about patrons and the role they play (well so far no role in my life, except as the byproduct of visual or literary evidence, acquisitions by a museum, and an education by professors in the ‘systems’ of art, but as an artist, until I am able to synthesize reality and manifest the eloquence of the idea not just once or twice, but as often as I pay attention. That "excess" you speak of is just that; it is a byproduct, cream on the meaty pie that many artists never get to suck on. -
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Unsu...
"Think of Alaska pollock as the fish that doesn’t get any respect. "
Sun, December 3, 2006 - 9:59 PMPollock (Sorry J.P.)
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Re: With an ear to the ground of the past you may engage the thrust of the engine as it blows the paint of life over the canvas. Some are in first class and moving toward exotic locations and others..
Sun, December 3, 2006 - 11:16 PMif pollock had not been supported by peggy... or if the kind grocer had not gave pollock credits in exchange for a painting... do u think he would survive...
so what if you are doing what you have done... does it truly matter? how have you change the world i might ask?
did picasso really change anything or affect anything with his Guernica?
you did what you did because you could afford to do it... it is the economy of excess...
if you are struggling month after month trying to stay ahead of rent... and paying of bills... would u have done it? support has to come from somewhere... where that is coming from is from the economy where there is excess to flow into art...
post modernism is fine and dandy... but does it really solve anything? so what if our existence is projected? can we change EVERYTHING just by thinking about it?
does colour prinitng even matter today? when we could buy a 100 dye sub printer that can do a even better job?
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my point is... art is everthing in everthing and nothing in everthing and everything in nothing and nothing in nothing... there is no art history... there is just history... if it isas important as u say it is... then all the more it should be subsumed into the mainstream... does not postmodernism greatest irony lies in it being able to subsumed all... if it can withstand the subsumation.. then it is of no importance... if it of importance... then it will be subsumed... BUT once it is subsumed... it becomes of no importance...
rather than H... i would suggest zizek and baurilliard...and also eco... if you are so inclined...
once you have finished... you would realize that tis all an exercise into futility...
there is no life in art... it is art in life...
so if you are living it... there is no need to speak of it...
the more we study it... the more meaningless it is
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Unsu...
I think therefore I am
Mon, December 4, 2006 - 1:41 AMSperio,
Thank you for helping me see the futility in pursuing your ideas with any seriousness. It was fun for a while.
>once you have finished... you would realize that tis all an exercise into futility...
there is no life in art... it is art in life...
so if you are living it... there is no need to speak of it...< -
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Re: I think therefore I am
Mon, December 4, 2006 - 3:59 PMglad you got something out of this :)
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