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I had a prof. once tell me that he was one of a kind because he was both an artist AND and art hsitorian. According to him, the two never mix and I found that out, at least in my school since I was the one of the few AH majors that liked to do both. Firenze mentioned on another thread that she paints (and is quite good, btw), so I was wondering how often the rest of you get to actually DO what you love as well as study it?
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Re: Anyone actually paint, sculpt, whatever?
Fri, July 1, 2005 - 11:10 AMI did for a very long time. I think the two diffidently go hand in hand. I couldn't do one without the other. I was my life from my early teens to my late 20's. Then I had to give it all up for a job that pays. If I wasn't working 12 to 16 hr. days I would would do it again.
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Re: Anyone actually paint, sculpt, whatever?
Mon, August 1, 2005 - 9:31 PMI paint. there is a photo on my profile of a portrait I did of my best friend...
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Re: Artist and Art Historian
Tue, August 2, 2005 - 6:52 AMHI,
I am almost done with my AH degree, but my two year is in illustration. I do watercolor paintings and graphite human figure drawings and portraits.
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Gregorian Chant
Tue, August 2, 2005 - 11:48 AMI am curious as to the implication carried here. An artist, for example, necessitates the inherent historical reference to the past in that he is a byproduct of what has gone before him whether or not he recognizes the thread that binds him.
Art is not produced in a vacuum and thus I am inclined to believe that if an artist then also an art historian. Do you see this line of reasoning as true?
Otherwise, according to www.getty.edu/artsednet/res...glossary.html, the concept of art historian is as loosely stated as "Someone who studies the art and artists of previous eras." This can be done by a simple trip to a museum or glance at a picture book or even hearing about a work or the modus operandi of an artist. I am not sure, we can qualify the extent required an artist in this case to an exposure to the past.
An artist inherently synthesizes reality to put forth an emblem of its posture, a statement in a media that conceptualizes a knowingness, a felt conjugation of verbs indicative of a language that expresses that vast underlying certainty that when uttered or presented in a manner, external to or referential to the cathedral known as the museum or gallery, it speaks of a place where the mind is ajar with gaping contemplation as to a thing that speaks of it, the past, present, and future all in one voice.
And as for the art historian moving back upon the landscape of art as artist, I believe he or she, in his view proves his ability to paint pictures, sculpt words or whatever. A good historian of art is a good artist in that he too composes with his synthetic engine, a brain that moves in the same manner across the path of a delighted creation by advancing theory about how the artist presents the mold, applies the deep understanding as Tolstoy alluded. Some art historians see Art in Theory 1900-1900 or the new version, to see these angulations enfold in black and white. When Picasso or Max Weber writes about art, for example, you realize the eloquence of the idea is not limited to the artist or contemplationist.
The art historian, a curator, takes a stab at composition by filling a room or demarking a venue where the collection in his mind made manifest by the placement of pieces indicative of his vision in the context of community at that time and place also reveals the historian as artist. The things he posts to explain the work or the silence derived in their mere hanging there speaks volumes, paints and sculpts the inherent dichotomy of the artist and art historian. The art historian is friend to the artist because he can either elevate the work though interpretation or expose the work to its dislocation in time. It has no meaning unless by metaphor it says something important about the time and place within which it exists.
The art historian and artist are one, practicing the same craft in producing the eloquence of an idea to be consumed either on paper or in some other manner but always communicated.
References: Someone who studies the art and artists of previous eras. From: www.getty.edu/artsednet/res.../glossary.html
The academic approach to art history suggests that a culture's nature is best revealed by its art. Art historians apply that principle when comparing past eras in western history or when relating western forms of thought and feeling with those of other cultures. From: www.rci.rutgers.edu/~cswebpg...tory.html
Art historians study and write about works of art. They may also deliver lectures on art history, advise on art, look after historical and contemporary art collections and research and present exhibitions. www.kiwicareers.govt.nz/jobs/1...95a.htm -
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Re: Gregorian Chant
Tue, August 2, 2005 - 12:17 PMWell said, Mario. I find it a bit disappointing when hearing an art history major complain because they have to complete three studio courses for the major. For me, it wasn't enough, so I took on painting I and II as electives. In the past, I've even toyed with the idea of getting a minor in studio. It's difficult to study a particular subject without having some sort of hands-on appraoch. Art history is one of those rare area of study where this can be accomplished. -
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One Love
Tue, August 2, 2005 - 1:48 PMYes, and I have to say that I love you formal art historians. You really can make or break an artist. It is quite a complement to be seen through your intelligent eyes. It's like the artist can communicate in a language that is understood. But, I also read the other day that "Why do you have to ask others about your work, don't you know what it is you are trying to say and whether or not what you've said was your intention?"
Artists and Art Historians, obviously one-in-the-same have given their need to communicate that something inside them that dances and whips around like a Whirling Dervish with the energy of life itself. I love you both or as one for it is from your existence and your creations that I garner the hope that life is not the doldrums.
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Re: Gregorian Chant
Fri, August 5, 2005 - 3:13 PMThis is what a very good artist-friend educated in Russia in fine-art oil painting said about my Gregorian Chant post:
"This sounds way too complicated, far too eloquent. The art historians usually know nothing of the craft and usually create their own ideas about what a work means when it cannot be defined by concept alone. Much too often they make a stab in the dark, when to me a great work of art is an experience that is necessary in person and is therefore a little too exclusive, leaving out the simple, and leaving me perplexed why my art is hard to understand for others. I do not think there is an explanation for anything but alot of sadness." -Trius Fernsler
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Re: Gregorian Chant
Sat, August 6, 2005 - 1:18 AMErm... I'm actually an artist with an interest in art history...
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Collectors
Sat, August 6, 2005 - 1:52 AMYes, I too am such a person. I really love art history. I like what people come up with in interpreting the language of art. I have friends who are curators and I completely respect them because it takes the same attention to composition to explain, what I have also asserted in that making art and talking (thinking) about it usually utilizes, in my case, the English language.
We think with words. A painter, for example, seeks to express his words/feelings through the medium of paint and an art historian seeks to piece together the artifacts of a stream of consciousness.
Aren't both responding either to themselves or to what is outside them? Aren't both synthesizing reality as the first phase of their plan of expression?
And then Ferrous, you would have to be an artist with an interest in art history simply because whether conscious or unconscious, aren't you aware of personal relevance in the iconography? Don't we move about in the world as artists pulling in symbols, collecting data, vibrating amid the fabric of our affinities?
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Re: Anyone actually paint, sculpt, whatever?
Sun, August 21, 2005 - 8:53 AMMe I use Art History with Photography and my degree in Art History wasn't a waste, it came in handy, especially iconography, and elements in order to provide a message..